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	<title>Comments on: The US Health Care Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Vladislav70</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-7775</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladislav70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vladislav54</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-7727</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vladislav42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladislav42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vladislav35</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree @ James.  A coworker's mom almost had cardiac surgery recently, and the brand new cardiac surgeon totally missed the fact that the patient had a raging staph infection in her leg.  The surgery would have killed her.  Coworker had the instinct to go to a bigger cardiac center in the city; staph infection detected, BP rock bottom near death, aneurysm in brain, cardiac surgery delayed.  The doc there knew the idiot cardiologist and was shocked that the noob doc was practicing unsupervised straight out of residency.  YIKES!!!!  Yes, we go to docs and don't really investigate them.

OK I said $400k, just saw the January and February bills, updated the spreadsheet.  Make that $523k plus.

Re reimbursement percentages, some things are paid in full, some denied, others are quarter-third-half range of reimbursement.  I've rarely seen merely 10% reimbursement level.  But the overall point is valid.  One must go in and beg and negotiate with the docs/hospitals.  They can do a lot of writeoffs and subsidies.  Our local hospital has multimill's in charity write offs for a county of 70k population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree @ James.  A coworker&#8217;s mom almost had cardiac surgery recently, and the brand new cardiac surgeon totally missed the fact that the patient had a raging staph infection in her leg.  The surgery would have killed her.  Coworker had the instinct to go to a bigger cardiac center in the city; staph infection detected, BP rock bottom near death, aneurysm in brain, cardiac surgery delayed.  The doc there knew the idiot cardiologist and was shocked that the noob doc was practicing unsupervised straight out of residency.  YIKES!!!!  Yes, we go to docs and don&#8217;t really investigate them.</p>
<p>OK I said $400k, just saw the January and February bills, updated the spreadsheet.  Make that $523k plus.</p>
<p>Re reimbursement percentages, some things are paid in full, some denied, others are quarter-third-half range of reimbursement.  I&#8217;ve rarely seen merely 10% reimbursement level.  But the overall point is valid.  One must go in and beg and negotiate with the docs/hospitals.  They can do a lot of writeoffs and subsidies.  Our local hospital has multimill&#8217;s in charity write offs for a county of 70k population.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the first problems that needs to be fixed is the price discrimation against the uninsured.  For a variety of reasons, hospitals and doctors charge insanely high rates known as "gross charges" and then just write off most of it when the insurance pays.  However, if you don't have insurance, then you get to pay the gross charges straight up.  This creates an artificial need for health insurance.  The system is simply flawed from the start.  Paying your own charges is just not really an option because you'd pay at least 10 times what the insurance company pays.  The end result is that healthy people who rarely go to the doctor are forced to buy insurance at the same price as and subsidize people who go to the doctor all the time.  This totally hoses the supply and demand.  

Another problem is that with each health care purchase you are paying for a lotto ticket.  The ticket pays off if you are injured by some type of negligence on the part of the health care provider.  The ticket is not optional.  The health care provider must provide it to you, so they much charge you for it.  I am talking about the excessive damages awarded to plaintiffs who get hurt by negligence.  If you could opt out of it and pay less, you probably would choose to do so.  Economically, it makes sense to cap the damages at some reasonable fairly small amount (such as a percentage of the charges - maybe 1000%) and allow the patient to buy insurance that will pay him in the event of malpractice.  That will definitely cut down on the cost of health care.

Related to the lawsuit lottery problem above, patients need to be able to get more information about whether a doctor has had a lot of malpractice issues before choosing whom to go to.  Right now, you really just go and hope nothing bad happens because you really have no idea about the doctor who is treating you other than anecdotal evidence from friends or acquaintances.  If you could investigate the history of a doctor and see that he'd only had 2 minor complaints in 20 years of practice, you'd probably feel fairly comfortable making an informed decision.  If you are informed about your choice of doctor, do you really want to buy a lotto ticket that will pay you $20 million if the doctor should happen to screw up and amputate the wrong leg or something or would you rather save the money and just take your chances that you won't be the first one in 20 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the first problems that needs to be fixed is the price discrimation against the uninsured.  For a variety of reasons, hospitals and doctors charge insanely high rates known as &#8220;gross charges&#8221; and then just write off most of it when the insurance pays.  However, if you don&#8217;t have insurance, then you get to pay the gross charges straight up.  This creates an artificial need for health insurance.  The system is simply flawed from the start.  Paying your own charges is just not really an option because you&#8217;d pay at least 10 times what the insurance company pays.  The end result is that healthy people who rarely go to the doctor are forced to buy insurance at the same price as and subsidize people who go to the doctor all the time.  This totally hoses the supply and demand.  </p>
<p>Another problem is that with each health care purchase you are paying for a lotto ticket.  The ticket pays off if you are injured by some type of negligence on the part of the health care provider.  The ticket is not optional.  The health care provider must provide it to you, so they much charge you for it.  I am talking about the excessive damages awarded to plaintiffs who get hurt by negligence.  If you could opt out of it and pay less, you probably would choose to do so.  Economically, it makes sense to cap the damages at some reasonable fairly small amount (such as a percentage of the charges - maybe 1000%) and allow the patient to buy insurance that will pay him in the event of malpractice.  That will definitely cut down on the cost of health care.</p>
<p>Related to the lawsuit lottery problem above, patients need to be able to get more information about whether a doctor has had a lot of malpractice issues before choosing whom to go to.  Right now, you really just go and hope nothing bad happens because you really have no idea about the doctor who is treating you other than anecdotal evidence from friends or acquaintances.  If you could investigate the history of a doctor and see that he&#8217;d only had 2 minor complaints in 20 years of practice, you&#8217;d probably feel fairly comfortable making an informed decision.  If you are informed about your choice of doctor, do you really want to buy a lotto ticket that will pay you $20 million if the doctor should happen to screw up and amputate the wrong leg or something or would you rather save the money and just take your chances that you won&#8217;t be the first one in 20 years?</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High deductible policies with HSAs will change this though...the consumer will become price-sensitive because any HSA money you keep, you get to save and invest and build wealth.  With self employment and small companies, this type of plan will become more common; larger organizations will probably start moving to it too.

I think we should be able to save and accumulate our Sec. 125 FSA health care spending accounts.  That's part of the solution and would smooth out the bumpy ride for many Americans.

My breast cancer treatment so far has cost close to $400k and not all the bills are in yet; of which, my out of pocket copays were $120 (and my monthly premium is $26).  I'm keeping a spreadsheet.  When the dust settles, I'll blog about "What Cancer Costs."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High deductible policies with HSAs will change this though&#8230;the consumer will become price-sensitive because any HSA money you keep, you get to save and invest and build wealth.  With self employment and small companies, this type of plan will become more common; larger organizations will probably start moving to it too.</p>
<p>I think we should be able to save and accumulate our Sec. 125 FSA health care spending accounts.  That&#8217;s part of the solution and would smooth out the bumpy ride for many Americans.</p>
<p>My breast cancer treatment so far has cost close to $400k and not all the bills are in yet; of which, my out of pocket copays were $120 (and my monthly premium is $26).  I&#8217;m keeping a spreadsheet.  When the dust settles, I&#8217;ll blog about &#8220;What Cancer Costs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-1346</link>
		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You assume the consumer is paying.  No.  With third party payers, consumers become price insensitive.

The only health care to become cheaper/more affordable are things not covered by insurance, that are in a pure competitive market, with the consumer paying: cosmetic surgery, LASIK surgery, etc.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Curtis - Liz, that is actually my point exactly.  With your insurance removed from your check beforeyou get it, no one seems to factor that into their health care cost.  All they see is their co-pay and the other  is almost like part of their compensation.  I know I've always removed any difference in insurance cost when comparing 2 job offers.  If we were to force people to pay for every test their doctor runs out of their own pocket, the doctor wouldn't be nearly as busy and could spend more time with patients.  He could cut overhead as well by not needing the extra dozen people to file insurance paperwork thus lowering his overhead and cutting your "real" health care cost.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assume the consumer is paying.  No.  With third party payers, consumers become price insensitive.</p>
<p>The only health care to become cheaper/more affordable are things not covered by insurance, that are in a pure competitive market, with the consumer paying: cosmetic surgery, LASIK surgery, etc.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Curtis - Liz, that is actually my point exactly.  With your insurance removed from your check beforeyou get it, no one seems to factor that into their health care cost.  All they see is their co-pay and the other  is almost like part of their compensation.  I know I&#8217;ve always removed any difference in insurance cost when comparing 2 job offers.  If we were to force people to pay for every test their doctor runs out of their own pocket, the doctor wouldn&#8217;t be nearly as busy and could spend more time with patients.  He could cut overhead as well by not needing the extra dozen people to file insurance paperwork thus lowering his overhead and cutting your &#8220;real&#8221; health care cost.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.realworldfinances.net/?p=112#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'ts not a matter of having health insurence anymore, its a matter of health care reform within the insurance industry.  Health care companies bonus people based on how many claims they deny.  People die every day because their claims for brest cancer treatment or bone marrow transpants are denied by their health insurence companies.  The health care industry is criminal.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Curtis - Still you are talking about health insurance and not health care.  Doctors and hospitals are acting as should be expected with the way they are treated and given incentives by the insurance companies.  Fixing health insurance will not, necessarily, lower our health care costs.  I say let's get back to the days of paying your doctor on your own and leave the insurance companies behind.  They are more trouble than they are worth.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ts not a matter of having health insurence anymore, its a matter of health care reform within the insurance industry.  Health care companies bonus people based on how many claims they deny.  People die every day because their claims for brest cancer treatment or bone marrow transpants are denied by their health insurence companies.  The health care industry is criminal.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Curtis - Still you are talking about health insurance and not health care.  Doctors and hospitals are acting as should be expected with the way they are treated and given incentives by the insurance companies.  Fixing health insurance will not, necessarily, lower our health care costs.  I say let&#8217;s get back to the days of paying your doctor on your own and leave the insurance companies behind.  They are more trouble than they are worth.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator>carnival of personal finance: photo quiz edition : plonkee money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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